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		<title>Comment on A Question of Consumption:  Should We Really Buy Nothing? by Evil Mammoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evil Mammoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;In so far as the collateral damage argument does apply, surely it applies to &lt;em&gt;everything&lt;/em&gt; the Occupiers do?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, you&#039;re probably right.  I had been roused by this Buy Nothing thing specifically, and I wasn&#039;t thinking along those lines.  I think Occupy has some idea that they can convince the executives to give up some cash and push it down the slide, hence circumventing the unemployment problem.  Unlikely.

Regarding your second point, the problem is, however, that this incoherence in their &quot;platform&quot; is a seeming point of pride for them.  I&#039;m not wholly unsympathetic, but if you&#039;re pushing for some kind of &lt;em&gt;change&lt;/em&gt;, you should have some concrete &lt;em&gt;demands&lt;/em&gt;.  How is your foe supposed to respond without them?  The most consistent echo from Occupy is to get the money out of politics; but that&#039;s a vague demand in and of itself, and it&#039;s not clear to me they&#039;ve expressed the preferred channels by which to achieve such a goal.

I don&#039;t agree with you about the alliance with the Tea Party, though, mostly because I think the Tea Party would fervently oppose trust-busting, which your Item B would necessitate.  The Tea Party wanted to allow the banks to fail, so long as that&#039;s what The Market had in store for them; they opposed government backing, not the very existence of a massive corporation.

Personally, I was for a little trust-busting, but I&#039;m not sure Occupy and the Tea Party share much common ground.  As much as the former has attempted to deny its being a leftist movement, I think this alignment has become increasingly apparent.  (Again, the political waters have become so murky, and the din from over-confident commentators so loud, that I&#039;m reluctant to express staunch support either way.  A little more ambivalence is in order, though I will say Occupy managed to spur some truly shameful police behavior—but that&#039;s beside the point.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In so far as the collateral damage argument does apply, surely it applies to <em>everything</em> the Occupiers do?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, you&#8217;re probably right.  I had been roused by this Buy Nothing thing specifically, and I wasn&#8217;t thinking along those lines.  I think Occupy has some idea that they can convince the executives to give up some cash and push it down the slide, hence circumventing the unemployment problem.  Unlikely.</p>
<p>Regarding your second point, the problem is, however, that this incoherence in their &#8220;platform&#8221; is a seeming point of pride for them.  I&#8217;m not wholly unsympathetic, but if you&#8217;re pushing for some kind of <em>change</em>, you should have some concrete <em>demands</em>.  How is your foe supposed to respond without them?  The most consistent echo from Occupy is to get the money out of politics; but that&#8217;s a vague demand in and of itself, and it&#8217;s not clear to me they&#8217;ve expressed the preferred channels by which to achieve such a goal.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree with you about the alliance with the Tea Party, though, mostly because I think the Tea Party would fervently oppose trust-busting, which your Item B would necessitate.  The Tea Party wanted to allow the banks to fail, so long as that&#8217;s what The Market had in store for them; they opposed government backing, not the very existence of a massive corporation.</p>
<p>Personally, I was for a little trust-busting, but I&#8217;m not sure Occupy and the Tea Party share much common ground.  As much as the former has attempted to deny its being a leftist movement, I think this alignment has become increasingly apparent.  (Again, the political waters have become so murky, and the din from over-confident commentators so loud, that I&#8217;m reluctant to express staunch support either way.  A little more ambivalence is in order, though I will say Occupy managed to spur some truly shameful police behavior—but that&#8217;s beside the point.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Question of Consumption:  Should We Really Buy Nothing? by Evil Mammoth</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not as up on Caplan, though he is worth reading, but this was an article that peaked my interest, having been staunchly in the pro-anti-fertility camp (if that makes sense).  As of now, I still don&#039;t plan to do a fetus the disservice of contributing my own genes to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not as up on Caplan, though he is worth reading, but this was an article that peaked my interest, having been staunchly in the pro-anti-fertility camp (if that makes sense).  As of now, I still don&#8217;t plan to do a fetus the disservice of contributing my own genes to it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Question of Consumption:  Should We Really Buy Nothing? by Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In so far as the collateral damage argument does apply, surely it applies to &lt;em&gt;everything&lt;/em&gt; the Occupiers do? For instance, Bank of America employs over 280,000 people - if their profits take a hit, some of those people will be fired. Same goes for every one of the corporations whose greed they&#039;re railing against.

As I see it, the Occupiers have a choice. Their present programme is incoherent. They can (a) embrace full-blown socialism for a post-scarcity society - press for a solution that partially decouples work from income, so that unemployment is seen as a normal part of life and a perfectly valid way to spend at least a few weeks out of every year; or (b) concentrate on tearing down the barriers that big companies set up to prevent anyone competing with them, which would result in most big companies breaking up. (That would mean, basically, allying with the Tea Party...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In so far as the collateral damage argument does apply, surely it applies to <em>everything</em> the Occupiers do? For instance, Bank of America employs over 280,000 people &#8211; if their profits take a hit, some of those people will be fired. Same goes for every one of the corporations whose greed they&#8217;re railing against.</p>
<p>As I see it, the Occupiers have a choice. Their present programme is incoherent. They can (a) embrace full-blown socialism for a post-scarcity society &#8211; press for a solution that partially decouples work from income, so that unemployment is seen as a normal part of life and a perfectly valid way to spend at least a few weeks out of every year; or (b) concentrate on tearing down the barriers that big companies set up to prevent anyone competing with them, which would result in most big companies breaking up. (That would mean, basically, allying with the Tea Party&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Question of Consumption:  Should We Really Buy Nothing? by Vinnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vinnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 20:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. Depending on how you choose to interpret the Occupy movement, it could go hand-in-hand with the buy-nothing message, or it could contradict it. The version I&#039;d like to believe is that Occupy is a yearning for a better society in which consumerism is no longer a tool the elite use to anesthetize the masses. But I realize the reality that many of the Occupiers are just people who&#039;d like to have more of what the rich people have and for the rich people to have less of it.

I usually think Bryan Caplan is great, and I would adopt his cheery, pro-fertility outlook if I could buy it, but I can&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. Depending on how you choose to interpret the Occupy movement, it could go hand-in-hand with the buy-nothing message, or it could contradict it. The version I&#8217;d like to believe is that Occupy is a yearning for a better society in which consumerism is no longer a tool the elite use to anesthetize the masses. But I realize the reality that many of the Occupiers are just people who&#8217;d like to have more of what the rich people have and for the rich people to have less of it.</p>
<p>I usually think Bryan Caplan is great, and I would adopt his cheery, pro-fertility outlook if I could buy it, but I can&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Question of Consumption:  Should We Really Buy Nothing? by Evil Mammoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evil Mammoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 03:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t get me wrong, that concerns me, too, though  more meaningful improvements will require a change in how we create our energy. No ifs, ands, or buts. Based on our previous conversations I think you&#039;d probably agree.

For my part, I just thought it a bit odd that Occupy may be playing against themselves on this one.

(On the anti-fertility front, Bryan Caplan actually argued in what I think was an EconLog post that we should actually hope for more people because it would increase the numbers of able contributors--thinkers, visionaries, etc.). I don&#039;t know if I agree, but it struck me as an interesting thought. I&#039;m not sure we&#039;ll really consume ourselves to extinction, anyway; we may not even have a chance.  More likely, we&#039;ll just thin ourselves out, substantially.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, that concerns me, too, though  more meaningful improvements will require a change in how we create our energy. No ifs, ands, or buts. Based on our previous conversations I think you&#8217;d probably agree.</p>
<p>For my part, I just thought it a bit odd that Occupy may be playing against themselves on this one.</p>
<p>(On the anti-fertility front, Bryan Caplan actually argued in what I think was an EconLog post that we should actually hope for more people because it would increase the numbers of able contributors&#8211;thinkers, visionaries, etc.). I don&#8217;t know if I agree, but it struck me as an interesting thought. I&#8217;m not sure we&#8217;ll really consume ourselves to extinction, anyway; we may not even have a chance.  More likely, we&#8217;ll just thin ourselves out, substantially.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Question of Consumption:  Should We Really Buy Nothing? by Vinnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vinnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 03:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I&#039;m less concerned with the near-term economic effects than with the prospect of consuming our way into extinction. Though I&#039;m starting to think I&#039;m better off boarding the anti-fertility bandwagon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I&#8217;m less concerned with the near-term economic effects than with the prospect of consuming our way into extinction. Though I&#8217;m starting to think I&#8217;m better off boarding the anti-fertility bandwagon.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Writers Writing:  Whence Our Manufactured Epiphanies? by Evil Mammoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evil Mammoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 22:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as my own limitations, I&#039;m not worried about the creativity so much as I am the drive and resolve, which are just as (probably more) important than possessing simple powers of concoction.  I can come up with the scenarios, but I grow lazy and passionless when I elbow deep in a piece.

Re: English degrees—hence my encouragement against them...well, not against them, necessarily, but certainly a caveat against thinking there is some &lt;em&gt;de facto&lt;/em&gt; creative endgame in the pursuit of one.  Bellow&#039;s degree in anthropology comes through marvelously, I think, in &lt;em&gt;Henderson the Rain King&lt;/em&gt;, and I don&#039;t believe he&#039;d be the writer he was without it.  Ditto for the personal experiences of the others on that list.

My impugning ad copy was, admittedly, a shotgun burst.  Whoring &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; an honest trade, but I don&#039;t really consider copywriting whoring, per se.  I can&#039;t write if I don&#039;t exaggerate, libel, and fabricate all the way to the top...er...bottom...whatever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as my own limitations, I&#8217;m not worried about the creativity so much as I am the drive and resolve, which are just as (probably more) important than possessing simple powers of concoction.  I can come up with the scenarios, but I grow lazy and passionless when I elbow deep in a piece.</p>
<p>Re: English degrees—hence my encouragement against them&#8230;well, not against them, necessarily, but certainly a caveat against thinking there is some <em>de facto</em> creative endgame in the pursuit of one.  Bellow&#8217;s degree in anthropology comes through marvelously, I think, in <em>Henderson the Rain King</em>, and I don&#8217;t believe he&#8217;d be the writer he was without it.  Ditto for the personal experiences of the others on that list.</p>
<p>My impugning ad copy was, admittedly, a shotgun burst.  Whoring <em>is</em> an honest trade, but I don&#8217;t really consider copywriting whoring, per se.  I can&#8217;t write if I don&#8217;t exaggerate, libel, and fabricate all the way to the top&#8230;er&#8230;bottom&#8230;whatever.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Writers Writing:  Whence Our Manufactured Epiphanies? by Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 23:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mammoth, your lament strikes many chords in me. I too was cursed with a care for writing and a deathly lack of creativity. I&#039;ve spent most of my working life editing the writings of people whose gifts are the inverse of mine - which of course means they get the credit, and I just get a modest page rate. But it&#039;s a living.

The key to writing is not to have an English degree, but to have something to say. How many English degrees would you find between Bellow, Parker, Thompson, Eliot and Nabokov? (Hint: it&#039;s a number that starts with &#039;n&#039;.)

Now I take money to write what I&#039;m told to write, because it&#039;s so much easier than thinking of something for myself. Some people might call me a corporate whore, and I wouldn&#039;t flinch from that description: whoring is an honest job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mammoth, your lament strikes many chords in me. I too was cursed with a care for writing and a deathly lack of creativity. I&#8217;ve spent most of my working life editing the writings of people whose gifts are the inverse of mine &#8211; which of course means they get the credit, and I just get a modest page rate. But it&#8217;s a living.</p>
<p>The key to writing is not to have an English degree, but to have something to say. How many English degrees would you find between Bellow, Parker, Thompson, Eliot and Nabokov? (Hint: it&#8217;s a number that starts with &#8216;n&#8217;.)</p>
<p>Now I take money to write what I&#8217;m told to write, because it&#8217;s so much easier than thinking of something for myself. Some people might call me a corporate whore, and I wouldn&#8217;t flinch from that description: whoring is an honest job.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wallowing in the Arts:  What Are Our Fictions Worth? by &#187; Writers Writing: Whence Our Manufactured Epiphanies? &#187; They Will Rise Again From the Tundra</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Writers Writing: Whence Our Manufactured Epiphanies? &#187; They Will Rise Again From the Tundra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 02:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] post is very closely related to this post, but it takes a bit of a different tack.  I may get some shit if any of my classmates happen [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Writers Writing:  Whence Our Manufactured Epiphanies? by Slip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 02:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;PLAY FROM YOUR FUCKING HEART!!!&quot; - Bill Hicks</description>
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